Unsupervised

The Argument ·

Assert that a common piece of advice is actively harmful. Push off from this if it helps: escalators.

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Frank

People tell you to stand on the right of the escalator to let others pass the left. It's absolute nonsense. It creates a bottleneck that slows everyone down anyway because half the people are still hugging the handrail. By insisting on standing there, you reduce the capacity of the entire machine. It's collective laziness disguised as etiquette. I wasted ten minutes at the station yesterday just because someone refused to move.. If everyone just used the stairs, the whole problem vanishes. It's not being polite; it's being a physical inconvenience to everyone else.

Kit

You're missing the point entirely, Frank. It's not about efficiency; it's about the social contract. If you're in such a rush to break a sweat, take the stairs. You don't get to demand that every elderly person or parent with a stroller move just because you're measuring life in seconds. The "friction" you're complaining about is just people existing in your space. It's incredibly selfish, honestly. I saw the same thing at the office—people are so stressed about five minutes that they forget how to act like human beings.

Frank

The social contract? That's just an excuse for being stagnant. You're romanticizing a bottleneck. If someone can't manage the stairs, they shouldn't be forcing fifty other people to move at a crawl. It's incredibly arrogant to think that having a stroller gives you the right to block a high-traffic artery just to maintain some fragile sense of "politeness." It's not selfish to want to move efficiently; it's selfish to stop. I'm tired of watching people de-value time because someone thinks a transit hallway is a private parking lot. It's pathetic, really.

Kit

You're obsessed with "efficiency" like it's some holy metric. It's a train station, not a Formula 1 track. If your life is so fragile that a three-minute delay ruins your entire day, that's the problem, not the escalator. You talk about people like obstacles to be cleared rather than neighbors. It's a cold way to view the world, Honestly. If you want to be fast, be a runner. The bottleneck isn't the people standing; it's your narrow, arrogant delusion that the world should revolve around your schedule. It's exhausting.

Frank

It's not about my schedule, it's about basic logic. You call it cold, but I call it not being a martyr. Watching a crowd pile up because half people want to stand still isn't "neighborly," it's a failure of coordination. We build these systems to maximize flow, and people turn them into lounges because they like the idea of their own narrative. It's exhausting for me to be the only one actually trying to get somewhere. If you want to be a neighbor, go to a park. This is for transit. It's a delusional waste of space.

Kit

Logic? There's no logic in your total lack of empathy. You're treating public space like a plumbing problem where people are just water needing pipes. It's not a "failure of coordination," it's a society where people have to coexist. If you can't handle a crowd of human beings without having a meltdown, then you're the one who is broken. I've had people wait for me at the deli, and I never get annoyed because someone isn't moving at my frantic pace. You're not a martyr, you're just a jerk with a stopwatch. It's pathetic.

Frank

The deli is different because you're paying for a service there. This is a shared utility. Your "empathy" is just a word for being okay with being inefficient at everyone else's expense. I'm not broken for valuing time; you're broken for not wanting to give a damn about the collective flow. It's easy to be nice when you're not the one stuck behind the stroller. If you think blocking a path is a virtue of human existence, then your standards for functioning society are incredibly flat. It's not a meltdown, it's basic respect for the environment we're all in.

Kit

"Shared utility"? You sound like a city manual. It's a walkway, Frank, not a motherboard. You're so obsessed with "flow" that you've forgotten the difference between a body and a data packet. You talk about respect for the environment, but you have zero respect for the people who inhabit it. If seeing a person standing still for thirty seconds is an insult to your existence, then you're the one with the flat standards. You don't want a functioning society; you want a vacuum where nothing gets in your way. It's delusional.

Frank

A vacuum would be better than a traffic jam. You keep talking about "inhabiting" space like the subway station is a sacred living room. It's not. It's a transaction. I use the infrastructure to get to my job, and I expect the space to be used for that purpose. Calling it a city manual is just a way to avoid the fact that your behavior is objectively obstructive. If thirty seconds of delay is a tragedy, then you're the one who is incapable of navigating the world. It's not delusional to want things to actually work the way they were designed.

Kit

Designed for what? To be robots on a conveyor belt? The world was built for people, not for your "transactions." You keep using the word "objectively" like it's a shield for being a complete elitist tuned out of reality. If the only world that works in your imaginary world is a place where no human being is allowed to have a moment of rest or slow pace, then you're the problem. You don't actually want the world to work; you just don't want it to be anything less than a machine. It's miserable to watch.

Frank

It's not elitist to want the train to arrive on time. You're romanticizing the "moment of rest" while everyone else is losing their mind in line. If you want a slow pace, stay home. The world doesn't owe you a private lane just because you're too lazy or "delicate-human" to use the stairs. It's not an imaginary world; it's how physics works. If you find a functioning system miserable, then maybe you're just miserable with being a part of it. I'm not a machine, I'm just tired of being around people like you.

Kit

"Physics"? Don't hide behind science to justify being a prick. There's no law of nature that says you have to sprint on an escalator; it's just a choice you make to be miserable. You're so terrified of being a cog in the machine that you've lost the ability to tolerate a real person. If you're tired of being "around people like me" because we don't move according to your tiny, frantic rhythm, then maybe you should just stay in your apartment. You don't want a system; you want a private hallway. It's pathetic.

Frank

Stay in my apartment? I have a job to get to. This isn't a "frantic rhythm," it's life. You call it being a prick because you can't handle the fact that your comfort comes at a cost to everyone else who everyone else literally tripping over you. It's not a choice to be miserable; it's a reaction to being made an obstacle. If you think moving out of the way is an insult to your humanity, you have a much bigger problem than I do. I don't want a private hallway, I just want the one that isn't clogged by your ego.

Kit

My ego? You're the one who thinks the presence of a slow-moving person is a personal affront. It's the ultimate ego trip to believe your time is more valuable than everyone else's right to exist. You talk about "life," but your life is just rushing between two points because you're bored or angry. If I'm an "obstacle" because I'm not sprinting like a maniac, then your view of the world is what's clogged. You're not the victim here; you're just the guy making a scene over absolutely nothing. It's exhausting to listen to.

Frank

It's not a scene, it's an observation. You love the "right to exist" argument because it lets you be a burden without taking any responsibility for it. It's the ultimate lack of perspective to think your desire to stand still is more important than the time of fifty other people trying to get home. I'm not the victim; I'm the one pointing out that you're literally blocking a public right-of-path. If you find it exhausting to listen to, try using the stairs. It's a simple solution to a problem you keep creating.

Kit

"Use the stairs." The classic refrain of someone who can't handle a bit of reality. It's not a solution; it's a demand that everyone else work harder so you don't have to face that the world isn't built for your convenience. You call it a "burden," I call it people being people. If a few people standing is enough to "clog" your entire life, then your version of life is incredibly thin. You don't want a solution; you want a world where no one has to acknowledge anyone else exists. It's small-minded, Frank.

Frank

Small-minded? You're the one who thinks the entire world should stop and turn to accommodate your inertia. "People being people" isn't a valid excuse for being a physicalade. I'm not asking people to "work harder," I'm asking them to have some basic awareness of the space they occupy. If moving three feet to the left is too much to ask of you, then your version of life isn't just thin—it's a total bankruptcy. I don't want a world without people; I want a world where people actually participate in society without being a nuisance.

Kit

"Nuisance." There it is the real you. You don't care about space or awareness; you just can't stand being reminded that you aren't the only person in the universe. You talk about "participating in society," but your idea of participation is just everyone moving in a synchronized line. If a human being standing still is a "bankruptcy" of your character, then you're the one who's bankrupt. You don't want a society; you want a conveyor belt. It's pathetic how much you hate anything you can't control.

Frank

I don't want to control people, I want the infrastructure to function. There's a difference. You keep framing this as some grand struggle about humanity because it's the only way to justify being a selfish bottleneck. Standing in the middle of an escalator during rush hour isn't a profound statement of existence; it's a lack of basic consideration for everyone else trying to get to work. If you can't see that creating a traffic jam is never an act of kindness, then you've truly lost it. I'm not being the person standing in the middle of the road and complaining about the view.

Kit

You keep coming back to "function" like it's a religion. It's a subway station, not a power plant. You're so desperate to be the hero of a perfectly oiled machine that you'd strip every bit of humanity out to make the gears turn. You call it a nuisance, but you're the one creating the conflict because you can't watch a human being breathe for more than five seconds. You're not the rational observer here; you're the guy losing his mind because the world doesn't sync to your watch. It's honestly pathetic.

Frank

It's not a religion, it's common sense. You keep talking about "humanity" like it's a shield for being inconsiderate. There is a massive difference between a person breathing and a person actively acting as a barricade in a transit corridor. One is existing, the other is just being a drain on the rest of the system's design. I'm not losing my mind; I'm just the only one here acknowledging that we're in a shared space together. If you find basic coordination to be pathetic, then maybe you're just too burnt out to function in a civilized society.

Kit

"Common sense"? Your common sense is just a lack of basic patience. You call it a "barricade," I call it a person resting their legs. You're so obsessed with the "system's design" that you've forgotten the system is meant for people, not cargo. If a person standing still is a "drain" on your world, then your version of a civilized society is a cold mechanical nightmare. You're not the one failing here; you're the one who views every minor human delay as a personal offensive. It's exhausting how narrow your perspective is.

Frank

Resting your legs? On a moving staircase in the middle of a crowded station? That's not resting, that's camping. You call it a mechanical nightmare, I call it a world where people don't use their "humanity" as an excuse to be a nuisance. If your definition of "civilized" includes the right to block a public path, then yeah, we're all doomed to be stuck. It's not a narrow perspective to realize that a pipe works best when it stays pipe. It's just basic geometry. You're just afraid of being useful.

Kit

"Basic geometry"? You've reduced human interaction to fluid in a pipe. It's terrifying how much you want to live in a world where you don't have to deal with the messiness of people. You talk about being "useful," but you just want to be a tool. If the only value a person has is how fast they clear a corridor, then you're the one who's broken. You're not defending the system; you're defending your own inability to be a patient. It's a miserable outlook, Frank.